carlsen did it again. hans now has company

@hardbitten said in #7:
> "sounds like the kid was wearing an analogueueu watch". was it examined? a GM shoulda known das is verbotten.

A watch is verboten (by FIDE) if the event falls into category A protection measures.
> Watches, pens and other writing devices containing metal are not allowed in the playing area.

One of the criteria forcing cat A protection is prize fund amount.
> Events with prize funds in excess of EUR 100,000.

According to chess.com, the Qatar Masters Open prize fund is $108,250. That is about 102,700 EUR. So either the exchange rate was different when the rules were established (there have been a few times in the last year when the dollar was strong enough to push EUR under the threshold), they got a waiver, or the arbiter is wrong.

Or maybe I'm reading the FIDE handbook wrong. I haven't found anything yet prohibiting smart phones!

@hardbitten said in #7:
> "sounds like the kid was wearing an analogueueu watch". was it examined? a GM shoulda known das is verbotten. He was mr fiddle watch. he played a perfect game. not saying there is anything wrong with that. plus you slung a race analogy?! puh-leeeze.

race has nothing to do with it, it's a meme. i mentioned that phrase because when a sentence starts with "i'm not racist, but..." a racist thing follows. I could have said I'm not sexist but..., or many other things. but the racist one came to mind.

similar to carlsen losing, brings up cheating and says "This is not to accuse my opponent of anything," why bring up cheating after losing in round 2? why not bring up cheating after winning in round 1? I assume watches were worn in round 1, I assume spectators were walking around with smart phones in round 1.

i'm not accusing my opponent of cheating, but... goes on to cast doubt in peoples mind.

@hardbitten said in #7:
> "sounds like the kid was wearing an analogueueu watch". was it examined? a GM shoulda known das is verbotten.

There is rule agains analogue watches.
"Without the permission of the arbiter a player is forbidden to have a mobile phone
or other electronic means of communication in the playing venue,"

Analog watch does not constitute a "means of communication". Nor does constitute a "source of information". Smart watch obviously not allowed.

Unless tournament rules specific to tournament do not allow normal watches they are allowed

In chess olympiad watches are usually forbidden and players are not allowed to use their on pens but one provided by organiser.

@h2b2 said in #1:
> carlsen got smashed by a kid, then brings up the topic of cheating in public tweets.
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> it's like the old "I'm not racist, but..."
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> sounds like the kid was wearing an analogue watch.
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> Carlsen chose to play in the tournament with their rules which allow analog watches. If he had a problem with people wearing analogue watches he could have chosen not to play, or maybe had a private discussion with the organisers before the tournament starts asking them to change the rules.
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> carlsen's a bad sport. he adds another young player to his hit list.

No it's not. He says he is not accusing the players, he is blaming the organizers, to whom he talked to privately first, and making it public in hope to get things to improve. Seems like other players have complained as well. The strongest is Fedoseev leaving the tournament. Hell you could see in camera people taking photos of Magnus' game with a smartphone! This is not only distracting, it just gives group to the boiling paranoia that is threatening to spill all over the chess world.

@petri999 said in #13:
> There is rule agains analogue watches.
> "Without the permission of the arbiter a player is forbidden to have a mobile phone
> or other electronic means of communication in the playing venue,"
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> Analog watch does not constitute a "means of communication". Nor does constitute a "source of information". Smart watch obviously not allowed.
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> Unless tournament rules specific to tournament do not allow normal watches they are allowed
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> In chess olympiad watches are usually forbidden and players are not allowed to use their on pens but one provided by organiser.

it seems like the rule is actually confusing as FIDE also mentions normal watches and other gadgets on the regulations, but it's not clear whether it only applies to level 1 tournaments.

@h2b2 said in #12:
> race has nothing to do with it, it's a meme. i mentioned that phrase because when a sentence starts with "i'm not racist, but..." a racist thing follows. I could have said I'm not sexist but..., or many other things. but the racist one came to mind.
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> similar to carlsen losing, brings up cheating and says "This is not to accuse my opponent of anything," why bring up cheating after losing in round 2? why not bring up cheating after winning in round 1? I assume watches were worn in round 1, I assume spectators were walking around with smart phones in round 1.
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> i'm not accusing my opponent of cheating, but... goes on to cast doubt in peoples mind.
Exactly what I think about this situation as well.

more like the organisers/fide refuse to listen to carlsen

@mcgoves said in #11:
> A watch is verboten (by FIDE) if the event falls into category A protection measures.
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> One of the criteria forcing cat A protection is prize fund amount.
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> According to chess.com, the Qatar Masters Open prize fund is $108,250. That is about 102,700 EUR. So either the exchange rate was different when the rules were established (there have been a few times in the last year when the dollar was strong enough to push EUR under the threshold), they got a waiver, or the arbiter is wrong.
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> Or maybe I'm reading the FIDE handbook wrong. I haven't found anything yet prohibiting smart phones!
There is a debate ongoing if you include women-prizes or not as they clearly are not available to all players.
Anyway the organizers should've clearly indicated in advance which rules are applicable. You could also say the players need to inform themselves but it sounds a bit ridiculous that each of the participants have to contact the organizers independently to find out such information. I don't think this would ever work.

you think this is controversy - try following chess during Fischer! Fischer, a Jew, was vehemently anti-semitic. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Now that is controversy, esp. in chess where Jews are massively overrepresented relative to non-Jews as a percent of players, GMs, World Champs, etc. relative to population drawn from (e.g. 2% in US but way more than 2% of US GMs)

A watch or some anal beads - that is child's play in comparison!