How real is the rating of puzzles with respect to the ELO rating?

@sheckley666 I'm sorry, I can't agree. I have seen other sites where, unless memory fails me, they don't do that (or at least don't make it so obvious) . No apparent worry about if puzzle strength is appropriate for you or not. I see no evidence they do that here. I'm wanting to opt out of that. just puzzles. no rating. I've 30+ years experience as a programmer; It's not (or shouldn't be) that hard to make such changes. The options made available to the users can greatly improve their regard for a site. The puzzle rating is a detriment. If it indeed does serve a purpose. it's vanishingly small and can be disregarded.

go way puzzle rating. just go way.

There is a toggle switch rated/unrated on every puzzle.

Dear Rating Nooblets,

You can not compare ratings across rating pools. Especially when you are comparing the game of chess to something that is not the game of chess. I used to give a longer answer, but you've exhausted that possibility by asking the same question over and over in different ways. I wrote a blog post about it, but nobody read it. I have no sympathy.

Sincerely,

DrHack

p.s. This is directed at nobody in particular, it just happened to fall on this thread instead of any of the other 5 bagillion possibilities. Keep asking questions. <3

^ you are so damn right.

@Bellendo said in #5:
> Puzzle rating means..........absolutely nothing. Unfortunately. My puzzle rating is over 2500 but I haven't beaten an 1800+ rated player at 30/20 for a long time.
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> Hopefully I will start to play a little better soon, when it gets cold and I can't do outdoor stuff.
Puzzle rating indicates the understanding for chess generally and vision for the position.
For your playing rating and puzzlerating i find it very Strange.
I go up and down 2100-2300 generally on my puzzlerating. But i dondt have count how many times i have draw and beaten titledplayers now and then.
Your'e puzzlerating on lichess fits to a player who are example a titled player, or example 1900 fide in general.
If you really have 2500 in puzzle rating then you know how to do on the chessboard against a opponent. With that puzzlerating says that you are capabable to do a lot on the board. But the thing is that you have low playing rating. Strange is'nt it?

@sheckley666 You keep saying this. Please do keep this in mind. I've heard you. I disagree. As a feature this seems pretty useless. If you value this, hey great for you. I'd like the choice to not have that because it is, to me, worthless, or even worse than that. detrimental to my making use of the tools available here. It is a discouragement. I won't be responding again. I've said what I want to. twice now. You should realize not everyone finds value in things you like.

@Devil_fish said in #15:
> Puzzle rating indicates the understanding for chess generally and vision for the position.

No it doesn't. As others have explained above, puzzles are not timed. If you spend several days on each puzzle, you'll have a higher rating than someone who just spends a few minutes each.

And, you are rated against the puzzle pool, not against other players.

There is one purpose only for puzzle ratings: Your rating is used to select a puzzle that is not too hard and not too easy. So if your puzzle rating is stabilized at around 2000, for example, this just means that for your way of solving puzzles, a puzzle in the 2000-ish range is a good challenge for you. That's it.

@Panagrellus said in #17:
> No it doesn't. As others have explained above, puzzles are not timed. If you spend several days on each puzzle, you'll have a higher rating than someone who just spends a few minutes each.
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> And, you are rated against the puzzle pool, not against other players.
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> There is one purpose only for puzzle ratings: Your rating is used to select a puzzle that is not too hard and not too easy. So if your puzzle rating is stabilized at around 2000, for example, this just means that for your way of solving puzzles, a puzzle in the 2000-ish range is a good challenge for you. That's it.
You dond't listen to what im writing...the higher puzzlerating the more understanding for chess generally. Do you really think it's normal that a low rated player as example 1600-1700 rated player in blitz/rapid/classical have example 2700 in puzzle rating on Lichess? No it doesn't! It doesn't matter how much time you spend on each puzzles, unless you spend seconds compared to a minute or so. Even you understand the position and are able to solve the puzzle or you don'dt.

I confront another person to this once here on Lichess, that everything was suspicious to the player. Some games he played was very bad when he was host of a simul. He played against two persons who was about 1400 fide and he lost those games badly and early. He had around 3000 in puzzles. And when i confront those things he replied me something like this - "I gain much points because im solving puzzles on very hard....even grandmasters have troubles to solve puzzles on hard and gain so much rating as 3000 in puzzles. To solve puzzles after puzzles on hard level you must have brilliant understanding for chess.
In your're logic i can also get very high puzzles rating if i spend several minutes, hours or days. Do you really think that? Do you really think that ppl are so patient when it's coming to puzzle that they spend hours and days for each puzzle? Give me a break!

The true is that puzzlerating kind of have certain comparison to the player rating. I know a 1700 fide player have 2400 in blitz on lichess. But there is also a exists that a 1700 fide player have example 1700 in blitz also. Some are very. Either you are good player and have speed or you don'dt, just like puzzles, either you have good understanding for chess or you don'dt. But still there is more normal that players who have eample 2100 in blitz and rapid have around 2500 in puzzles than a 1700 rated player in blitz and rapid have 2500 in puzzles. Most titled players have about 2200-3000+ in puzzles rating...it is so hard to solve in general. Even grandmasters have below 2500..no matter what how much time they spend or solved on easy or hard level.
When im seeing ppl have etablished example 1800 in puzzles they have lower understanding for chess and positions generally but they have been kind of" lucky"....i fear more for a player when im seeing a player with example 2500 in puzzles than a player with example 1800 in puzzles and both players have about the same ratings in blitz, rapid and classical. Because this is all about theory-knowledge and intuiton in general not other things when it comes to puzzles. But somoe players cheats when it comes to puzzles. I dond't accuse this player to cheat but i find it strange. For his ratings maby about 2000 is normal. And he have 500 over that. But this is anyway my opinions.
I have about 2800 in puzzles on chess.com and to reach so much as 2500 in puzzles on lichess is incredible difficult no matter what the circumstances.

@Devil_fish said in #18:
> But somoe players cheats when it comes to puzzles.

There is no cheating in solving puzzles. Using an engine to solve Lichess puzzles is ok, but it's useless, as the numerical value of the Lichess puzzle rating has no meaning anyway.

@Panagrellus said in #19:
> There is no cheating in solving puzzles. Using an engine to solve Lichess puzzles is ok, but it's useless, as the numerical value of the Lichess puzzle rating has no meaning anyway.
There is no cheating on Lichess? When you using a engine then you are cheating!
Everyone want higher ratings as possible, and try to win some "respec and honor"..that's the meaning! Why cheating at all? because losers wants to be winners, that's why!
Chess is not all about win and lose, chess is all about knowledge, science and art. That's why ppl solving puzzles, and playing chess. The higher puzzlerating the higher iq, in general, just like the playerratings and Fide rating. To be a GM or supergrandmaster, you and me can't as an statepoint. You cant't read and read to eventually become a GM. YOu must have a naturtalent and be smart in general. Puzzle ratings indicates smartness. But example a FM player can about have about the same knowledge as me but the are exactly a FM beacuse the player is so brilliant when he/she plays over the board. They have better mentality, stamina and so on, so gain gain more and more ratingpoints because all of this elements.