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I‘m 15 and have a rating of 2600... do you think I can become a GM?

@JuicyChickenNO1 Nope I won't remember my post regardless, but if I was to in theory then I will go "Yup, that guy is not right. He should have more dedication if he really cares about improving."

Also I am a full time student, so I do have a job so to speak. You get paid and you have few hours every week with a full load.
@ThePlayzPaidOff The thing that stops you is that in order to become a GM you need to get norms, and for that you need to go to the tournaments where you can get them, and that means traveling. If you're in college they can send you to cool tournaments about 4 times a year and they cover your travel expenses, but when you start working you have around 10 vacation days per year. If you're really serious about becoming a GM you're gonna want to be hitting some 6-8 big tournaments a year I'm gonna guess, but you have absolutely zero chance of doing that if you need to work to survive.

There's also the money issue once you have to cover your own travel expenses. The GM who blogged about how much he spent to get his title came up with something around 150k bucks (converted from his currency), which in the USA is comparable to two years of income with a master's degree in something STEM. You're gonna need to spend most of your money adulting though, so you have to figure out what percentage you'll be able to save.

Bottom line is that real life doesn't work like a movie; having determination and wanting something really bad isn't enough. Surely there's somebody somewhere who's really good and can draw Stockfish 3 out of 10 times, but he's never gonna be a GM because of the time and money it takes; I wouldn't be surprised if there's a couple guys like that in every big city.

And by the way, being in college is nothing like working. The difference between college and job feels about the same as the difference between middle school and college. Make the most of those years, because it's your last chance to do a lot of stuff, and that includes some of your dreams.
@JuicyChickenNO1
Erm well I am not OP, therefore I didn't really state what my Chess goals are. Although I do plan on becoming an IM.

Well sure if you are lower class I could see how travel ect is an issue although regardless if you are really that good even then it doesn't matter. All you would need from that point is to scrape together the money to travel which even the lower class can do, especially because if you are that good you could easily play for money. When you say "if you need to work to survive" you must be talking about lower class because otherwise you'd say "work to live". Subtle but major differences. I wouldn't focus on the lower class if so but again serious talent can offset what you are talking about.

I'm sorry for that GM if he really didn't have the money to afford to be so reckless as to spend that many bands. More likely he is stable enough to be able to practice casually in whatever tournaments if he is spending that much money, with serious talent this can be mitigated or you know, just being more mindful of your expenses (0_0).

Whhhhhuuutt real life doesn't work like a movie? Who would've guessed that a story written via opinion and professional interest isn't like real life.

Uh, I can draw and even win stockfish. I presume however you are talking about max strength 16.1 stockfish which is the only way what you said makes any sense and in that case no there isn't. If there was they would easily be at least as strong as Magnus Carlsen, easily becoming a GM with the exceptional performance at the few needed venues at that point . (0_0)

This last paragraph sounds like projection. Don't try to bring me down to your level because you couldn't find success or decided to give up on your own dreams because of your lack of will to continue grinding out where it matters. We are simply not the same.

Geesh man, if you are going to attempt to destroy others realistic aspirations from such a young age at least be reasonable. *spits*
You've been here two minutes calm down but if you think you have a chance then study 8 hours a day play , practice , study play practice and totally commit your life to it if you're in a position to do so then why not , you have talent ,good luck ,I wish you all the best , go for it if it's your dream xxx
@ThePlayzPaidOff said in #11:
> Also I am a full time student, so I do have a job so to speak.
Not nearly the same, not by far. The time I was able to spend on my hobbies when I was at the university was a multiple of what I can now. And, perhaps even more important, way more flexible.

@ThePlayzPaidOff said in #13:
> All you would need from that point is to scrape together the money to travel which even the lower class can do, especially because if you are that good you could easily play for money.
People with actual practical experience mostly say that only the top players (like 2700+ FIDE ELO) can earn their living just by playing chess. Even vast majority of grandmasters needs other sources of income (which may still be chess related, e.g. coaching or producing paid content).
@mkubecek said in #15:
> Not nearly the same, not by far. The time I was able to spend on my hobbies when I was at the university was a multiple of what I can now. And, perhaps even more important, way more flexible.
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> People with actual practical experience mostly say that only the top players (like 2700+ FIDE ELO) can earn their living just by playing chess. Even vast majority of grandmasters needs other sources of income (which may still be chess related, e.g. coaching or producing paid content).
I suppose it depends on the job, I know people who have very high paying jobs and don't work very often. 3-4 days of the week for example. My studys can become so hard I don't have anymore than 2 hours during the weekend. It depends on the topics I am studying and learning.

My goal isn't to say being a GM is easy, but to say that if you are dedicated it doesn't matter if you only have 1 hour every day. You still can do it, starting at a rating of 2600 and becoming 30 doesn't mean you can't become a GM.

I agree, only top players can earn a living playing exclusively Chess. With that being said when insane things are being said like "I bet there are many players who beat stockfish" ( I presume at max strength otherwise this again is a nonsensical statement) that we are talking about those top players.
@BulletMaster2008 said in #1:
> What do you guys think?

In theory or actually?

In theory would mean, you can focus on chess completely for let's say the next ten years and have enough money to pay costs for tournaments, coaches (if necessary) and life in general.

Actually would mean, if it's possible for you. The time you can and you want to invest, might be somehow limited due to other priorities or obligations
* currently maybe friends, school, other interests or hobbies
* later maybe friends, education, job training, or studies
If it is your biggest desire and you are willing to sacrifice years of time... YES
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@ThePlayzPaidOff said in #16:
> if you only have 1 hour every day
I don't mean to scare you, but one free hour a day is kind of a huge deal if you have a job. If you're done with chores like cooking, cleaning, shopping, and you still have one whole hour free you would feel pretty excited about it. This may sound crazy to you right now, but you're gonna consider going to bed one hour early, and that thought will make you feel happiness like you haven't in months. You may think that being a student makes you tired, but when you get a job and fall asleep while driving you're gonna realize how different it is.